think a simple border fence, not high-tech, is the first defense and a whole host of other things we could do that i think would impact the degree to which illegals are wanting to come here. >> ms. colbert-busch. >> i am in full support on the chamber's support of immigration. it is important to understand we have 11 million people here and with our financial position right now in the country, we can't afford to send 11 million people back home. what we need is really tough, fair immigration reform and that means you pay your taxes, you pay your fines, you learn to speak english, and you get in the back of the line for the pathway to citizenship. cheers and applause] >> that would mean, also, you would vote for the graham bill? >> i would be supportive of the graham bill. i would like to look at it in detail because i've never been in politics but would support what i've heard about the bill, absolutely. >> would you like to add something to that, governor sanford? >> i would say this is part of a much larger national debate. i suppose i'll make this point in several different ways.